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0002410Infinitode 2[All Projects] Infinitode 2public2024-05-18 11:29
ReporterZiHeLL Assigned Totherainycat  
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
Product Version1.9.0 (Season 3) 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0002410: Overload

Overload got a lot of nerfs, some of which are over the top.

  • Mining Speed Research bonus (Normal): 10% -> 5%

  • Mining Speed Research bonus (Endless): 25% -> 10%
    This makes Overload peak at x1.3 -> x1.25 per stack on Normal, with x13.78 -> x9.31 max stack, and a lot more grim on Endless: x1.45 -> x1.3 per stack, with x263.34 -> x51.18 max stack. This is slowing down progression significantly, nerfing Gauss Self Improvement potential in farming and leaderboards, and overall making Gauss harder to keep going.

  • Score bonus: 10% -> 5%
    Not exactly a bad change, but...

  • Mining Speed bonus reduces mining score proportionally
    Now this one, it really stinks - and not because of reduced scores. The way mining scores are calculated is very unclear, and it is even speculated that the best scoring method is to keep Overload in around x8-x9 stack range, which is very unintuitive and weird.
    I would much rather have x0 mining score, but better overall score bonus and mining speed.

  • Overload ramps up

  • Enemy Difficulty: x1.2 -> x1.25

  • Enemy Speed bonus is additive
    I still think these 3 changes altogether are good.

Additional Information


Reduced x? -> x0 mining score, x1.05 -> x1.15 score
Mining Speed Research to 2%/lvl:

  • Normal mode: x1.3 (1.8.10) -> x1.25 (b200-b203) -> x1.3 (NEW)
  • Endless mode: x1.45 (1.8.10) -> x1.3 (b200-b203) -> x1.4 (NEW)

And maybe a bit more Overload difficulty, possibly by raising the default and improving the related research:

  • Enemy Difficulty: x1.2 (1.8.10) -> x1.25 (b200-b203) -> x1.3 (NEW)
  • Enemy Difficulty Research: -3% (1.8.10 - b203) -> -5% (NEW)
  • Enemy Difficulty Research Endless: -3% (1.8.10 - b203) -> -7% (NEW)




2024-05-17 21:46

reporter   ~0002441

I think Just removing the mining score bonus, and returning some of its mining speed would be a relatively good change. With the experience modifier nerf, coupled with the mining speed nerf and the basic clone bug fix, gauss abuse should be less prominent from Overload alone.

I'm not entirely on board with increasing the difficulty, however. My fear is that it will just lead back to the same overload defenses (single target) we already had, Sniper, venom, gauss etc. Towers like cannon and missile will probably never be seen in an overload due to them being projectiles and the fact that they deal aoe, while the enemies themselves are spread out.



2024-05-17 22:58

trusted_reporter   ~0002442

The speed of the overload is added to the research, so the 15 overloads in version 1.8 are about 79.8 times the mining speed. Version 1.9 has not been tested and is estimated to be less than 20 times.



2024-05-18 11:27

administrator   ~0002451

Overload was meant to allow the player to exchange some score with a bit higher difficulty, it was never designed to be used as the main source of mining speed boost.
The main drawback of Overload from 1.8.10 is the fact it will ruid your run almost immediately if you use it just a bit too much - and considering we have thousands of players which can not invest dozens of hours to replay a single level (and they don't want that), it is a massive problem.
My goals for Overload:

  • It allows to increase your score a bit, it should not allow to get more than 50% score of the whole run even if you use all 10 charges, because if it does - it becomes a requirement which reduces the amount of possible strategies which allow you to get a similar, high score
  • Ideally, it should not give you much more profit than using other abilities, because it uses an ability slot which can be used for something else. It should be possible to select some other ability instead of it, which should still be competitive vs overload
  • It is aimed at increasing the score slightly, to be a slight push for your strategy, a last resort which allows to score a couple more points and break a tie in a competition with some other strategy that does not involve Overload

I don't mind if it increases the mining speed, but it must not be required to farm effectively. The lack of mining speed is compensated with x2.5-x4.5 resource multipliers on levels which should not be ignored if we speak about its reduced mining speed bonus.

And I don't even want to speak about the basic clone bug, it is called a bug for a reason. I'll repeat what I've said in that other issue - people like bugs which allow them to farm 100x faster or make their run last for another hour, but they can not be preserved, because they make everything else useless.
If there's a lack of mining speed or some other good old overpowered stuff, it should be carefully compensated with a new systems and mechanics that can be properly balanced and which look like an intended thing. Resource bonuses for levels do exactly that.

I'll take a look at Overload because I don't like its current version either, and its mining speed score multiplier is buggy for some reason.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2024-05-17 21:20 ZiHeLL New Issue
2024-05-17 21:20 ZiHeLL Tag Attached: Balance
2024-05-17 21:46 Meo Note Added: 0002441
2024-05-17 22:58 baiqi Note Added: 0002442
2024-05-18 11:27 therainycat Note Added: 0002451
2024-05-18 11:29 therainycat Assigned To => therainycat
2024-05-18 11:29 therainycat Status new => acknowledged