0001321: Tesla ultimate is bad. (Big task, 4 videos with testing, theory and math) - Prineside issue tracker

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0001321	Infinitode 2 Ideas	[All Projects] Infinitode 2	public	2021-04-14 09:38	2021-12-29 17:54

Reporter	Goles	Assigned To	therainycat
Priority	normal	Severity	major	Reproducibility	have not tried
Status	new	Resolution	open

Summary	0001321: Tesla ultimate is bad. (Big task, 4 videos with testing, theory and math)
Description	So, lets start with videos. I this 2 videos i place towers is same place in level 1.1, choose first 2 same perks (in level 4 and 7), and upgade them same, but they have different 20 level perk. What we see? Tower with ultimate survived 97 waves: https://youtu.be/j8B2dzwm5bw Tower with x1.1 pwr survived 100 waves: https://youtu.be/OUJ_UsIMjFI Small difference, but we see that x1.1 was better. Lets make small difference, we will build 2 towers: Towers with ultimate survived 111 waves: https://youtu.be/mc74i4ds2Hw Towers with x1.1 survived 115 waves :https://youtu.be/gD2nBsWqxH8 Difference now bigger. Why? I think is because oif condition "make damage, like you kill 10 enemies". For example: we have 2 towers of tesla, 5k tower dps and 6k enemy health. Two teslas try to kill one enemy -> they each other "stole" damage, and because of this in sum make x2 (or more, first tower do 5k damage, another will deal remaining 1k damage) less damage and they will do their ability later. This is perfect situation, when we have only teslas. Usualy we have many different towers in one level -> that mean another towers will "stole" damage, and tesla ability will work very rare. Another reason: hp of enemies and waiting. HP in this game - progessive, that mean we can't use only one tower in level. For example: we have wave X, and enemies have 200k health, our towers do 5k dps. That mean, we need 10-20 towers to kill enemies fast, but dps of the tower don't grow -> we need wait around 40 sec for this ability, but another towers will try stole this hp. For effective ultimate use - everyone need to be a tesla and have ultimate. So, x1.1 is more effective, because we already dealing more damage and we don't need to wait. For time of waiting ultimate we can loose hp, because not enought damage.
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therainycat 2021-04-15 02:40 administrator ~0001191	How can other towers steal HP? They don't stop Tesla from attacking and it still deals the same damage per second. Also, nobody said that Ultimate abilities will be better than Powerful - in fact, it is even better to see the Powerful ability to be more... powerful. Ultimate ability is simply different, for example: it can fly out of the tower's range in case there are no suitable enemies the tower can attack multiple ball lightnings can be spawned at the same time ball lightnings always attack some enemies while Tesla may fail to build a long chain reaction because of the gaps between the enemies ball lightnings give extra 5% of coins (with maxed research) etc

Goles 2021-04-15 21:35 trusted_reporter ~0001214	How can other towers steal HP? They don't stop Tesla from attacking and it still deals the same damage per second. Ok, there my mistake. In my theory tesla will spend time for finding new target (because of rotation speed not momental rotate, tower need time) after killing enemy by other tower = more time to restore ability. But in testing with tesla + cannon only difference in waves 1 wave (100 with ultimate and 101 with x1.1) Also, nobody said that Ultimate abilities will be better than Powerful Yes, this true, but ultimate must be usefull, not useless. Ultimate must be usefull in some conditions, you need to do a choice in your strategy. For example cannon ultimate (it's example, i will test this ultimate dps later) you can't choose in any situation, because you need road near, that mean you have choices what you need in your strategy = good design of buiding up a strategy, you need find best place to tower. Tesla ability just do damage after doing damage milestone You don't need to find good place, ect. So, it's just like x1.1 pwr, but do less damage it can fly out of the tower's range in case there are no suitable enemies the tower can attack Tesla already has big range, and usualy this range already enought. This is reason why no matter where you place this tower - this tower don't require specific strategy, you just build it and do damage. Again, it's work like x1.1, but less damage and not always works. multiple ball lightnings can be spawned at the same time Yes, but usualy one tower do no more than 2 lightning balls. ball lightnings always attack some enemies while Tesla may fail to build a long chain reaction because of the gaps between the enemies Ok, maybe this is good. ball lightnings give extra 5% of coins (with maxed research) Nowhere about this written in game. But anyway, this is small amount of coins. And what about high waves, where you can't beat enemies even with 5 max towers? You will have do not enough dps to spawn ability, so this mean you loose free damage by using ultimate. Again x1.1 will better. And from my video testings x1.1 always more effective than ultimate. (I remind - enemies was always in tower range, so in first 2 tests 1 tesla do 100% damage)

Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2021-04-14 09:38	Goles	New Issue
2021-04-14 09:38	Goles	Tag Attached: Balance
2021-04-15 02:40	therainycat	Note Added: 0001191
2021-04-15 02:40	therainycat	Assigned To	=> therainycat
2021-04-15 02:40	therainycat	Status	new => feedback
2021-04-15 21:35	Goles	Note Added: 0001214
2021-04-15 21:35	Goles	Status	feedback => assigned
2021-04-17 15:38	therainycat	Project	Infinitode 2 v.1.8 Beta => Infinitode 2 Ideas
2021-12-29 17:54	therainycat	Status	assigned => new